Battle of the Farmers (1st edition)

[Ishamael]

Originally Posted by Dimquellewen

BF Gollum 2527 Moving (6 turns) Uninhabited (14xx:11)

LOL at the smily !!!

[Biggy]

BF Gollum Amaterasu [SCISSORS] Uninhabited (14xx:11) 6 100,040,000
BF DeKaDeNcE Biggy Uninhabited (14xx:11) 9 100,040,000

i'll own ya

[DAGO]

best thread this round...........
i will participate in next one...........

[Patsch]

My preorder:

40 fighters + 6500 bombers + 10 hulks

@Dimmy:
This smiley at this point - that's so incredible funny!

[Yaroslav]

Originally Posted by Gollum

That's maybe true, but actually you do not get on hand that mineral is the cheaper resource in terms of resource/score.

It has 2/3 of the metal gather rate, but 2x score.

So it is cheaper to make destroyers for 100 mln score than make for example fighters or Cruisers or frigates for the same score. Especially the fighters - they are the the most expensive ships in the game ) <-- I think you know what I mean

But in these battles where the limit is the score of your fleet, having a heavy metal fleet gives you more firepower, as I'd say that firepower is more related to fleet resource cost than to fleet score. (in example, 7 fighters win vs 2 bombers, same score fleet, more resources used for the fighters)

[Biggy]

rulles will be changed for the next edition
thogh in next one each player will come with his own wf

[Biggy]

Gollum vs DeKaDeNcE br added
Dekadence goes on to the winers brakets final
Gollum goes on losers brakets to meet ShockWave - nice battle there

check results in 3rd post of this thread

[gzaro]

I am still waiting for my battle Biggy you would better buy me a beer or else

[CR1-WS-05]

i really would like to see how Patsch`s fleet would fight

[pro314]

ill participate, now i just have to choose one of my ideas .......

100,040,000 fleets

pro1

Fighter 0 -
Bomber 2120 -
Frigate 500 -
Destroyer 125 -
Cruiser 32 -
Battleship 0 -

pro2

Fighter 1645 -
Bomber 1650 -
Frigate 500 -
Destroyer 125 -
Cruiser 32 -
Battleship 0 -

pro3

Fighter 1634 -
Bomber 1636 -
Frigate 500 -
Destroyer 125 -
Cruiser 15 -
Battleship 3 -

pro4

Fighter 10 -
Bomber 2100 -
Frigate 500 -
Destroyer 125 -
Cruiser 15 -
Battleship 3 -

[DeKaDeNcE]

Biggy the page with the reports is down, can you fix it please?

Thanks

[zees67]

Originally Posted by Gollum

That's maybe true, but actually you do not get on hand that mineral is the cheaper resource in terms of resource/score.

It has 2/3 of the metal gather rate, but 2x score.

So it is cheaper to make destroyers for 100 mln score than make for example fighters or Cruisers or frigates for the same score. Especially the fighters - they are the the most expensive ships in the game ) <-- I think you know what I mean

Actually, for my fleet composition in-game, I've produced less than 1000 fighters, 1000 frigates and zero cruisers for this saturn round so far. I've been heavy on destroyers and bts followed by bombers for my fodder screen. The reason for this is to get rid of the mineral in the most efficient way possible. It's not about being cheap or expensive but optimization.

Gollum, I believe many players(even the good ones) are under the misconception that fighters suck and destroyers rock. I believe the contrary is true and the results of these battles organized by Biggy will indicate this, me thinks. The fleet strength for combat will depend upon the AMOUNT of resources spent coupled by a sufficient FODDER screen backed up by enough HEAVY HITTERS.

Because of a multiplier of 2 for mineral compared to a mutiplier of 1 for metal, those combat fleets which are heavy on metal(fighters, frigates, cruisers) will likely have the edge over those heavy on mineral(destroyers, bombers, bts) presuming that the scores of both fleets are equal.

There is also random targetting involved in deciding the outcome of battle. Try using a fleet against another fleet having the exact same composition and the results of battle will be different everytime. If there is no random, then all those 100,040,000 fleets will kill each another equally. There will be no winners or losers.

So, how does random targetting work? I believe Scan/Zedd has incorporated different ship stats to the respective ships. Every ship has been accorded a 'hit and soak' (attack and defence percentages/points) value and every battle is based upon probability, ie. the roll of a dice or two. Think of the boardgame 'RISK' and how battle is decided and you'll have a general idea on how the principles work. It's all about the number of hits generated by the ships and the probability of the hits landing on target and the probability of the target able to soak up the 'hit' or not. Also imagine that dices need not be six sided but 100 or 1000 sided depending on the ship stats.

I doubt that S/Z will release the ship stats but if they do, it will help many players understand how combat is decided, thus making it clear why the smaller/weaker ships or fleets get killed first. The only statistic that is obvious is that the opvs, inva ships and cargo ships have zero attack points and some defense points thus enabling them to survive small attacks.

Well, many people may think all this is bull-**** and they will have their own ideas on combat and fleet composition. They might even be totally right but for those who love to play war/strategy games like I do, I hope this post will help shed some light into some of the myths and mysteries of how DG combat works.

Btw...Gollum, yes the fighters are really expensive but hell they are worth it for equal fights. Even Golden Arms think so.

zees67
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[Melkor_pt]

zees67 your theory might be correct of not but what does it interest in the real game?

In the real game people don't say "i have to make a 100M fleet, what is the best combo"? People don't have score to spend making a fleet, people have RESOURCES to spend.
The price of a fleet is not established in score but on resources. Who cares if a fleet heavy on metal is cheaper because it has less score? That only maters in set battles like this where there is a score limit for the fleet size.
In the real game what matters is how much resources are in a each fleet not it's score.

[Melkor_pt]

And i forgot...
HURRA for Dekadence. My bet is paying up so far.

[Cadavre]

Originally Posted by Patsch

My preorder:

40 fighters + 6500 bombers + 10 hulks

@Dimmy:
This smiley at this point - that's so incredible funny!

I'd expect that fleet to do quite well. . . maybe make it 4 fighters, 4341 bombers, 1 frigate + 14 battleships. . . just to beef it up a little.

What I'd really like to see is: -
20,110 fighters
7 battleships

You'd probably lose alot of fighters, but the battleships have very little chance of being touched so they get a fair few free shots.